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September 17, 2006

Once More on Jim Webb and George Allen

A couple of last thoughts tonight on the Webb v Allen exchange on Meet the Press.

First, a quote from Webb that I found very interesting:

We didn’t go into Iraq because of terrorism. We have terrorists in Iraq because we went in there.

That line reminds me of the Bush Administration’s assertion that

We are fighting these terrorists with our military in Afghanistan and Iraq and beyond so we do not have to face them in the streets of our own cities.

(October 2004, link)

No?


Next, MTP host Tim Russert asked both men whether the US needs to send more troops to Iraq – a position taken by William Kristol of the Weekly Standard and Rich Lowry of the National Review.

Allen: We’re going to need to do what it takes to succeed...

Webb: I know what it’s like to fight a war like this. And there are limits to what the military can do. Eventually, this is going to have to move into a diplomatic environment. Now, that’s where this administration seems to have blinders. They’re not talking to Syria, they’re not talking to Iran.

These answers both leave a bad taste in my mouth. I am guessing that when Allen said we may have to send more American troops to Iraq, every Liberal in the nation had a mild aneurism. And then when Webb suggested that the solution to quelling the Iraqi insurgency is to bring in the Iranians and Syrians, every Conservative in the nation had a mild aneurism. This part of the show was like watching a duel where each participant shoots himself and dies. But Allen has to have won this episode, because Webb promptly rose from the dead and shot himself a second time:

Russert: When you were last on this program in 1985, you said that conscription, the draft, was good for the military, the country, and the individual. Would you vote to reinstate the draft?

Webb: I don’t believe that right now, this country needs a draft.

That was the best Webb could do on that question? Call me needy, but I want my senator to be the kind of guy who scoffs at the question, rolls his eyes, and says that conscription isn’t even debatable in this day and age.


Okay, we’re up to a third topic. Tim asks whether the $300 billion that has been spent on Iraq could have been spent better in the war on terrorism, port security, homeland security, etc.

Allen kinda evaded that question, essentially falling back on the “it happened, let’s not second guess, let’s look forward’. That would be fair for him to say if he had been in the opposition, but he wasn’t. It happened because this administration and this Congress made it happen. We didn’t slip on our tea and fall into Iraq; we went in on purpose and we spent $300 billion on it, ostensibly to make this nation safer from terrorism. I want to know whether Senator Allen, who was a part of that, thinks that it was money well spent. I want to know if he is looking to spend that kind of money again over the next few years. But he didn’t want to say.

For his part, Jim Webb says there was a better way, but hasn’t said how. I don’t think I buy that. Look, I’m a very non-interventionist kind of guy. I don’t like America invading other nations. But we can’t take a punch in the nose and then curl up into a ball. If between 9/11 and now we had spent that $300 billion building walls on the Mexican and Canadian borders, and beefing up port security and airport security, we would not be safe from terrorism. I would not be comfortable with that response at all. This was Mr. Webb’s chance to convince me, and he passed on the opportunity.


My fourth topic for tonight is that Webb continually implied that George Allen and anybody else who hasn’t served in the military is ignorant on how to use the military. We heard a similar theme from the Kerry campaign in the 2004 elections. This is a point that many on the Left like to use to zing the current administration, as neither the president nor the vice president served in the United States military. In fact, the only cabinet members to have served were the Attorney General, the Secretary of Defense, and of course the Secretary for Veterans Affairs. For a presidency that will be defined by armed conflict, they run very light on personal experience.

This is, of course, irrelevant to the question of whether Jim Webb is better qualified than George Allen to be my senator. But furthermore, I think this is a very dangerous line of argument for the Democrats to keep embracing. For example, how will it play with those Democrats who run for president in 2008? Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich… none of these have military experience, to my knowledge. This point will still sit at the same level of irrelevance to me in 2008, but it still strikes me as a dangerous tune for this party.


The last topic that caught my eye from either candidate was near the end of the interview, when Jim Webb said

African Americans are the only ethnic group in this country that have suffered from deliberate discrimination and exclusion by the government over generations

I’ll be sure to let my American Indian friends know. It’s a shame that this ridiculous comment distracted me from whatever it was Webb was talking about, because I believe it was something about affirmative action being off track from its original, lawful purpose. I might have liked to have heard that, but my brain stopped short at the comment I shared above.


I’m not sure whether I will be able to catch the upcoming debate between these two, but if I do, I’ll share my thoughts here.

Wulf Posted by Wulf on September 17, 2006 at 09:43 PM

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