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April 15, 2006

Iran Seeks Nukes Nikes

From an email sent to our list by Rammage:

Wow. Wulfman's been singing this tune (see below) for at least five (5) years now. He and I could have had this conversation today. In fact, I think we did have this conversation today...

Wulf - Glad you enjoy these "Day in History" finds. I found this post to be particularly apropos, considering the talk today...

So, what were we talking about five (5) years ago? An article by John Derbyshire, titled Hesperophobia. It appeared in the National Review Online on September 14, 2001.

And I did my best to pick that article apart for my friends on the email list. And now I'm posting it here at AtlasBlogged for further discussion.

I disagree!!!!

The fundamental reason America is under attack by Arab terrorists, several dozen people want me to know, is that the U.S. supports Israel.

This is true - it's not the only reason, but it is the major fundamental reason.

And the only reason we do that, several of them have said, or hinted, is because of the political power of the Jewish lobby here in the U.S.A.

Okay, that's at least party wrong. They walk, talk, and dress like we do. They are the "good guys" as we grow up. They're even the "good guys" in the Bible - well, for most of it. There is a cultural allegiance that guides our democratic decisions to engage in supporting them in their religious war. And that same allegiance (plus memories of Hitler) will get one called "Anti-Semite" faster than one can down a matzo ball, if ever one should mention that it might be better for our own national security if we did not overtly involve ourselves in their fights.

...at the risk of yet more ill-tempered or abusive emails, I am going to declare that I don't think these recent outrages can be blamed on the Jews, nor even on pro-Israel American politicians.

Okay, I buy that it's not to be blamed on Jews or on Israel, but it's ridiculous to discount the role of our alliance in all of this. The Jew-hating Muslim terrorists want to destroy Israel, so why is the jihad against Israel and the USA? Because we dress alike? No! It's because we send money and weapons to these people! As the author himself says later on, Israel is severely outnumbered over there, and they know that they would get overrun without us. Bin-Laden knows that too - that's why we are targeted. We are the ones who facilitate their survival and control of Muslim holy ground. That's what the acts of war are all about.

The root phenomenon is not American involvement in Middle Eastern affairs: the root phenomenon is hesperophobia.

I disagree to some extent - the article is very interesting and very well written, and I appreciate exposure to the new word, but I cannot accept his conclusions.

I can't see any strong reason for believing that if the state of Israel were to disappear from the face of the earth tomorrow, hesperophobia would disappear with it.

Red Herring! He has tricked the reader into assuming that the hesperophobia (independent of financial and military backing) is the basis for the terrorist actions themselves - thus making it easy for the reader to agree that killing the Israelis wouldn't stop the terrorism. Check your premises.

They hate us because we humiliated them, showed up the gross inferiority of their culture. To them, and similarly humiliated peoples, we are the other; detested and feared in a way we can barely understand.

An excellent and insightful note. Imagine - really try to imagine - if China announced tomorrow that they had developed cold fusion, transhumanism, and FTL travel. And they won't sell - they'll only assimilate those who want in. How would we feel? Imagine if we resisted, how would we feel in 50 years? Holy shit.

However, imagine if they didn't demand assimilation. Imagine if we could have those things just by throwing away parts of our culture - say, the internal combustion engine and other fossil-fuel engines are outdated, and all of our medicine is antiquated, and every form of transportation is slow.

Would we resent them still? Well, we would if we couldn't meet their price. The hesperophobia comes from the fraction of the population who is more focused on clinging to the old ways, and they are of course among the most vocal (as is often true here, too). The way to win them over is not to carpet-bomb Kabul and beautiful Baghdad, but rather to offer free trade.

Aren't you hungry for Burger King now? Most of them are - and Nikes and Nokias and Nordstrom's, too. They would love westernization - at their own pace. And it would not have to be violent. Let them buy what they like and refuse what they don't. That certainly works, or we would not have the distinction that the author himself makes between their Arabs and our Arabs - the Kuwaitis and Saudis, cowering in their plush-lined air-conditioned bunkers being waited on by their Filipino servants while we did their fighting for them. (btw, far from accusing him of anti-Semitism, I would note that the author seems to have a very strong prejudice against Arabs, whose culture is referred to as "squalid, hopeless, irredeemably inferior", and who he divides into two categories "the mad phobics and the cowering, pampered, Westernized Arabs.)

The mall in Dubai is more culturally diverse, classically liberal, and "Westernized" than any mall I have seen in the USA. And they make better coffee. But if there is a sense that they've lost control to us, of course they will resist and pull away! It has to be at their own pace - the same way each of us keeps up (or doesn't) with the latest technologies. It's no different.

If the present state of Israel were inhabited by Christian Lithuanians or Frenchmen, the hatred would be nearly as intense.

I agree - it's about the land!! Why do people fail to recognize that? The irrational belief that Jews should live in that strip of land because God gave it to them, and that it is our duty to protect them because that's our God too and he's for whatever reason not available to rain fire on their enemies like he used to so we should show some religious solidarity and kick Arab ass for our beloved Jewish friends who have been there since way back in the 1940s, IS ABSOLUTELY INDEFENSIBLE AND STUPID!

A Western state on "Arab land," is an outrage, an illegitimate creation, a crusader state. The fact that the Jews had a wealthy and powerful nation on that land three thousand years ago counts for nothing. Israel is, from the point of view of most Arabs, an alien graft that must not be allowed to "take."

This is meant to be facetious, but I agree with it. In this country we are outraged by the number of Arabs who own prime real estate in our best cities, and there is great resentment toward the fairly new Arab parts of town. How would we feel if we had lost WWII and Hitler gave New England and the Mid-Atlantic States to some new pals from Persia and Palestine? An Arab state controlling the birthplace of American democracy? We would fight - throwing rocks at tanks if necessary, and we don't even have the cultural cohesion that Palestinians have. Why is their point of view so difficult to understand?

So, so, so, is this any of America's business? What are we doing, meddling in the Middle East? Where is our interest? Well, U.S. politicians must speak for themselves, but if I had any position of authority in any Western nation, I would be urging full support for Israel, and I am not Jewish. It's a matter of cultural solidarity.

"Cultural solidarity"? We were pretty culturally similar to, say, King George's England. Should we have stood by them? How about the Civil War - should the North have refused to fight based on the fact that the Southerners looked and talked pretty similar to Northerners? How about the Germans? Or, was that because they weren't as much like us as the UK was?

How did they start fighting in the first place? What a crock - look at what he's saying. The Arabs aren't like us and the Jews are, so that's why we should support Israel fully. It's complete and total racist, cultural elitism - and that's the real reason people hate Westerners. JFC!

What, after all, does the Buchananite program offer us, if carried through?

Using Buchanan's name is an emotional appeal, and not even an appropriate one. Most people who don't feel we are justified in supporting Israel in their struggle against Arabs do not have old Pat's extremist's attitudes. I for one say we throw open the doors to all Israelis - hey, it's not a police state over here, so if you can be peaceful and lawful, we'll let you live in our country, where there are not car bombings by people who feel that you're living in their ancestral homeland! But if you feel it's more important to stick to your religious guns, I can't help you - ask your God.

But if we don't arm the Israelis, who will?

Allow me to take a moment to say that I am not advocating any actions that would prevent private companies from selling arms or sending money to Israel; nor do I feel we should try to prevent our citizens from forming a Foreign Legion that operates sans tax dollars and outside the government's sanction - hey, if you want to risk your life freeing the Israelis or Bosnians or Chinese, that's your right. But when you use my tax dollar to fund a war in which you send my brother or son in a draft over to fight a war, in which they and I do not believe, that is unjustifiable and wrong.

Don't tell me it can't happen - the draft was in effect less than 30 years ago, in support of a war that was not on our soil and was controversial in justification (to put it mildly).

You just have to think straight. You just have to understand that the war between civilization and barbarism is being fought today just as it was fought at Chalons and Tours, at the gates of Kiev and Vienna, by the hoplites at Marathon and the legions on the Rhine.

And so the civilized, non-barbarous thing to do would be to escalate the situation and continue the practices that have incurred so much hatred and violence in the first place? I think the author is off base.


Well, it's been a long five (5) years. A lot has happened. And it is taken as a given that we are, in fact, in the middle of a war between civilization and barbarism, as John Derbyshire said. But I still say that free trade would have had a much better long term impact on the Middle East than war did. And I have always felt that would be the case for Cuba, as well. How has anybody benefited from the forty year grudge match embargo we have against that island?

For Iraqis, there was a better option than living under Saddam Hussein, and it remains to be seen how many of them will be able to enjoy that in peace as a result of US military action. Iraq has been since its inception an artificial state with hateful rival ethnic groups, and it is still possible for their situation to deteriorate into civil war. On top of that, we are looking at possible armed or nuclear conflict with Iran - well, I don't believe shots will be fired, but everybody else seems to.

This changes the heart and mind of the average guy on the streets in the Middle East how, exactly?

Ironically, this point was also made the other day by Rimjob at DailyKos, who asks
Will Mickey Mouse & Coca-Cola Destroy Radical Islam? The folks in the comment section don't seem to be getting the point at all, but Rimjob seems to be singing my tune:

Could the American culture be a greater weapon against the terrorists & the radical Islam they represent, than any Nuclear Bomb could ever be?

Answer: Yes. If you don't think so, then I really feel sorry for you, and I would like to try to help you see the light. Amid all the fear of the dhimma that awaits us if we don't "take out" Iran, some people seem to have lost sight of the fact that freedom and capitalism are good - in fact, they are better. I have absolute confidence in our way of life triumphing over any other - and I am not talking about the English language, Christianity, a two-party system, and warrantless wiretaps. I am not even talking about the internal combustion engine and bottled beer. I am talking about the personal freedoms that come with economic options. Free trade makes for free people. Free people make for poor extremists - which is why the downtrodden American libertarians have never managed to have a rally for their freedoms.

Rimjob may sound like a cultural elitist (i.e. ugly American) when he says,

I believe in my heart of hearts that most people (maybe not all but most), whether here or in Iran, China, Cuba, or anywhere, want to come home at night & sit in front of a 60 inch television, eat hamburgers, and drive a nice car if given the chance.

But I agree with him - except to clarify that most people want that option, even if they wouldn't partake of it. After all, I have not elected to get a 60 inch television. But you can bet your ass I would resent being told I couldn't have it.

Rimjob refers readers to Thomas Friedman's famous Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention. I am familiar with the theory, but I have to admit that I have never read The Lexus & The Olive Branch, nor Friedman's other tomes. But I intend to, even if they are only going to support beliefs I already have about globalization and economic freedom.

It is refreshing to see this diary entry by Rimjob. DailyKos is held up as an example of what is wrong with lefty bloggers, to the point that the site has become a punchline. But Mickey Mouse and Coca-Cola will destroy radical Islam, and socialism, and any other extremist political and economic movement in the world, if we will only get our politicians out of the way of the forces of the American economy. This is a really important point that most Americans don't seem to grasp - at least become familiar with Friedman's point, please.

I have never suggested that Americans shrug off the rhetoric of the Iranian regime, or the al-Qaeda terrorists, or the socialist dictators in Latin America. But for the long term vision of the world, Americans need to recognize that our most powerful weapon is capitalism.

It is (to coin a phrase) the Unknown Ideal.

Wulf Posted by Wulf on April 15, 2006 at 08:30 PM

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Nicely done!

"Capitalism, it is the Unknown Ideal."

Hey, I like the sound of that. I may steal that for my next book. ;-)

Posted by: Rammage [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2006 8:59 AM


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